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		<title>By: Zak</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-8927</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the application &quot;Voice to apps&quot; in iPhone very useful. It&#039;s convert voice to text to send SMS, Email, Facebook and Twitter messages.

You find it in AppStore </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the application &#8220;Voice to apps&#8221; in iPhone very useful. It&#8217;s convert voice to text to send SMS, Email, Facebook and Twitter messages.</p>
<p>You find it in AppStore</p>
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		<title>By: Lcg Grouply</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-8374</link>
		<dc:creator>Lcg Grouply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are finding a dependent mobile phone store , there is a company Juststay group we’ll have to recommend , Juststay is the professional distributor for all kinds of china mobile phone, mainly deal with google android 2.2 phone, sales phone, phone for kids, you’ll find all top quality models from their website: http://smartmobilephones.biz, we’ll definitely find interesting models for us
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		<title>By: Smee</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2616</link>
		<dc:creator>Smee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no reason for you to feel offended, unless you are in charge of the customer service department at Telefónica.

While no telecom company is pleasant to deal with, Telefónica is especially horrible, and some of the bait and switch tactics that I have been victim to, at their hands, are in fact, literally criminal.

Why do you suppose they are so eager to change their name to Movistar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no reason for you to feel offended, unless you are in charge of the customer service department at Telefónica.</p>
<p>While no telecom company is pleasant to deal with, Telefónica is especially horrible, and some of the bait and switch tactics that I have been victim to, at their hands, are in fact, literally criminal.</p>
<p>Why do you suppose they are so eager to change their name to Movistar?</p>
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		<title>By: Spanish person</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2615</link>
		<dc:creator>Spanish person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats not true. I think telefonica works pretty well and DONT CALL US criminals cuz we arent. the comment u wrote is rlly racist and if we wanted to we could say the same thing about your country and be as offensive as you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats not true. I think telefonica works pretty well and DONT CALL US criminals cuz we arent. the comment u wrote is rlly racist and if we wanted to we could say the same thing about your country and be as offensive as you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Tibbitts</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2614</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Tibbitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or in other words,
A) What Erik already posted here hasn&#039;t changed much yet, and
B) Yes, unlocked iPhones do work in Spain.
C) The costs each carrier charges depends on luck, and doing your homework, before signing up with any of them.

I didn&#039;t do much homework, but rely mostly on luck, sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or in other words,<br />
A) What Erik already posted here hasn&#8217;t changed much yet, and<br />
B) Yes, unlocked iPhones do work in Spain.<br />
C) The costs each carrier charges depends on luck, and doing your homework, before signing up with any of them.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t do much homework, but rely mostly on luck, sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Tibbitts</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2613</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Tibbitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drinnking from the fire-hose alert...
First, the good news:
No matter where you get an iPhone from, as long as it is one of the actual iPhone models made by Apple, it will work in Spain just as well as it would on AT&amp;T in the U.S. (Which may or may not be good news to you, depending on your opinion of AT&amp;T&#039;s network coverage.)
All three of the main mobile-phone carriers in Spain: Movistar, Vodafone, and Orange, use the same frequencies or network protocols, whether it be for voice or data, that the iPhone is manufactured to support.  They all have nearly identical coverage maps as well.
(All other &#039;carriers&#039; are actually third-party resellers that &#039;rent&#039; from the big three, often getting you better rates on pre-paid, and large minute-volume calling plans, and usually much worse data billing-rates.)
But, you should know that if you get an iPhone 3G, whether it be unlocked from the &#039;factory&#039; or unlocked through &#039;jailbreaking&#039; it WILL still work at 3G speeds, as long as the plan you get from your carrier provides for 3G data, and Spain has decent coverage, particularly around Madrid, and it WILL use any data that you allow it to, and you will be billed according to whichever plan you signed up for.
Anecdotally, I have seen a factory-unlocked iPhone 3GS 32, that a cow-orker got online for less than 900€, working a Vodafone 3G (HSDPA) connection, and breaking the 7Mbps download barrier, (close do dawn, near Madrid.)

http://www.expansys.es/d.aspx?i=183744

If you bring an iPhone that is truly unlocked, it will be able to use any SIM from any carrier here in Spain.
Making phone calls and SMS texts will cost exactly what-ever the company that you get the SIM card from says they will cost, (plus 16% sales tax.)  What they charge you to get signed up in the first place varies from store to store, but all the little &#039;nickel-and-dime&#039; fees and taxes that show up on U.S. cellphone bills tend to be much less significant here in Spain.
Incoming calls don&#039;t count against your minutes, but you have ask specifically about SMS, which tragically often gets double-billed.  (both sender and receiver.)

More good news, if you choose Movistar iPhone, although they are locked but, Movistar has tethering ENABLED in the iPhone&#039;s software, and they told me that they DON&#039;T differentiate between data usage from the apps on the phone, and data usage through tethering.
Also, if you reach your bandwidth limit (which counts both up and downstream accumulated) they still let you continue to use data, at NO additional cost, except that they throttle the actual transfer speed to about EDGE data-rates.  (Which suck over here.)

*Be aware that Movistar&#039;s data network can somehow tell if you take your iPhone SIM and put it in a 3G or HSPA modem.  The bill you get after just light session of non-tethered modem usage, (just a couple hundred Meg&#039;s of download, or so) will likely leave you broke.



THE OFFERS AND DEALS AVAILABLE AT THE VARIOUS CARRIERS AND BY THEIR DEALERS AND SALESPEOPLE IS TOO VARIABLE TO MAINTAIN AN INFORMED OPINION ABOUT WITHOUT CONTINUOUSLY SHOPPING AROUND.
A salesperson from Movistar cold-called me, and offered me an iPhone 3GS for 40€, &quot;no matter&quot; what plan I signed up for, so there are surprises.
Of course, the next surprise was that they sent me a Palm Pre instead, and it took weeks until they finally sent me the iPhone, but what I&#039;m trying to say is that I can&#039;t keep up with the deals and contracts.



The Bad, and the Complicated:
As of right now, there is still only one &quot;official&quot; way to use an iPhone in Spain:
 --&gt;buy one from Telefonica&#039;s Movistar,
under at least an 18 month contract.

If, of course, you can find a store that has the iPhone you want to buy in stock.

Movistar has an extremely complicate pricing structure for the iPhone, and the price the charge you for the handset itself depends on which combination of voice and data plan you sign up for...

http://www.movistar.es/iphone

FOR EXAMPLE, using the official published prices:
(you must add 16% sales tax to any price listed below...)

You pay 229€ for an iPhone_3GS_16GB if you sign up for the minimum data with the minimum voice, at 15€ and 9€ a month, respectively.

This means you pay 229€ up front for them to give you the iPhone, plus whatever sign-up fee the guy at the store decides to charge you for getting a new Spanish mobile phone number; (maybe 25€ extra.)
Now you start paying a minimum of 24€/month (voice plus data,) for the next 18 months.

A note about what Movistar means by &quot;9€/month voice plan&quot;
- this means that the absolute least they will charge you per month. for the mere privilege of being able to make phone calls, even if you literally never call anyone during the entire month, is 9€ plus tax.

More complications from Movistar...
According to what they have told me a couple of months ago when I bought my iPhone through Movistar - If I had signed up for a more expensive set of monthly rate-plans, in order to pay less up front for the iPhone, I could not later change to a cheaper plan during 18 months.  If I want to change to a more expensive rate plan during these 18 months, in order to get more &quot;minutes&quot; or to raise my bandwidth usage threshold, there will be no retro-active rebates on the price of the handset itself.
Also, they said that even after 18 months are fulfilled, they do not offer any service to officially unlock the iPhone.  I will have to check up with this, as it is technically against the law for them to deny this to a customer who has fulfilled their contract, and who officially requests an unlock-code or service.  Apple even officially has a system built-in to iTunes to recognize when an iPhone has been &#039;liberated&#039; - so we&#039;ll see.

Final bad news:  A passport and a smile may not be enough to &#039;allow&#039; you to buy a cell phone and a data plan from many carriers, who often require a photocopy of a utility bill and a residency card before they&#039;ll let you sign a contract.
Pre-paid guys are easier in this sense, but as of this year, in all of the EU, some form of positive ID is still required, even for pre-paids and thow-aways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drinnking from the fire-hose alert&#8230;<br />
First, the good news:<br />
No matter where you get an iPhone from, as long as it is one of the actual iPhone models made by Apple, it will work in Spain just as well as it would on AT&amp;T in the U.S. (Which may or may not be good news to you, depending on your opinion of AT&amp;T&#8217;s network coverage.)<br />
All three of the main mobile-phone carriers in Spain: Movistar, Vodafone, and Orange, use the same frequencies or network protocols, whether it be for voice or data, that the iPhone is manufactured to support.  They all have nearly identical coverage maps as well.<br />
(All other &#8216;carriers&#8217; are actually third-party resellers that &#8216;rent&#8217; from the big three, often getting you better rates on pre-paid, and large minute-volume calling plans, and usually much worse data billing-rates.)<br />
But, you should know that if you get an iPhone 3G, whether it be unlocked from the &#8216;factory&#8217; or unlocked through &#8216;jailbreaking&#8217; it WILL still work at 3G speeds, as long as the plan you get from your carrier provides for 3G data, and Spain has decent coverage, particularly around Madrid, and it WILL use any data that you allow it to, and you will be billed according to whichever plan you signed up for.<br />
Anecdotally, I have seen a factory-unlocked iPhone 3GS 32, that a cow-orker got online for less than 900€, working a Vodafone 3G (HSDPA) connection, and breaking the 7Mbps download barrier, (close do dawn, near Madrid.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.expansys.es/d.aspx?i=183744" rel="nofollow">http://www.expansys.es/d.aspx?i=183744</a></p>
<p>If you bring an iPhone that is truly unlocked, it will be able to use any SIM from any carrier here in Spain.<br />
Making phone calls and SMS texts will cost exactly what-ever the company that you get the SIM card from says they will cost, (plus 16% sales tax.)  What they charge you to get signed up in the first place varies from store to store, but all the little &#8216;nickel-and-dime&#8217; fees and taxes that show up on U.S. cellphone bills tend to be much less significant here in Spain.<br />
Incoming calls don&#8217;t count against your minutes, but you have ask specifically about SMS, which tragically often gets double-billed.  (both sender and receiver.)</p>
<p>More good news, if you choose Movistar iPhone, although they are locked but, Movistar has tethering ENABLED in the iPhone&#8217;s software, and they told me that they DON&#8217;T differentiate between data usage from the apps on the phone, and data usage through tethering.<br />
Also, if you reach your bandwidth limit (which counts both up and downstream accumulated) they still let you continue to use data, at NO additional cost, except that they throttle the actual transfer speed to about EDGE data-rates.  (Which suck over here.)</p>
<p>*Be aware that Movistar&#8217;s data network can somehow tell if you take your iPhone SIM and put it in a 3G or HSPA modem.  The bill you get after just light session of non-tethered modem usage, (just a couple hundred Meg&#8217;s of download, or so) will likely leave you broke.</p>
<p>THE OFFERS AND DEALS AVAILABLE AT THE VARIOUS CARRIERS AND BY THEIR DEALERS AND SALESPEOPLE IS TOO VARIABLE TO MAINTAIN AN INFORMED OPINION ABOUT WITHOUT CONTINUOUSLY SHOPPING AROUND.<br />
A salesperson from Movistar cold-called me, and offered me an iPhone 3GS for 40€, &#8220;no matter&#8221; what plan I signed up for, so there are surprises.<br />
Of course, the next surprise was that they sent me a Palm Pre instead, and it took weeks until they finally sent me the iPhone, but what I&#8217;m trying to say is that I can&#8217;t keep up with the deals and contracts.</p>
<p>The Bad, and the Complicated:<br />
As of right now, there is still only one &#8220;official&#8221; way to use an iPhone in Spain:<br />
 &#8211;&gt;buy one from Telefonica&#8217;s Movistar,<br />
under at least an 18 month contract.</p>
<p>If, of course, you can find a store that has the iPhone you want to buy in stock.</p>
<p>Movistar has an extremely complicate pricing structure for the iPhone, and the price the charge you for the handset itself depends on which combination of voice and data plan you sign up for&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.movistar.es/iphone" rel="nofollow">http://www.movistar.es/iphone</a></p>
<p>FOR EXAMPLE, using the official published prices:<br />
(you must add 16% sales tax to any price listed below&#8230;)</p>
<p>You pay 229€ for an iPhone_3GS_16GB if you sign up for the minimum data with the minimum voice, at 15€ and 9€ a month, respectively.</p>
<p>This means you pay 229€ up front for them to give you the iPhone, plus whatever sign-up fee the guy at the store decides to charge you for getting a new Spanish mobile phone number; (maybe 25€ extra.)<br />
Now you start paying a minimum of 24€/month (voice plus data,) for the next 18 months.</p>
<p>A note about what Movistar means by &#8220;9€/month voice plan&#8221;<br />
- this means that the absolute least they will charge you per month. for the mere privilege of being able to make phone calls, even if you literally never call anyone during the entire month, is 9€ plus tax.</p>
<p>More complications from Movistar&#8230;<br />
According to what they have told me a couple of months ago when I bought my iPhone through Movistar &#8211; If I had signed up for a more expensive set of monthly rate-plans, in order to pay less up front for the iPhone, I could not later change to a cheaper plan during 18 months.  If I want to change to a more expensive rate plan during these 18 months, in order to get more &#8220;minutes&#8221; or to raise my bandwidth usage threshold, there will be no retro-active rebates on the price of the handset itself.<br />
Also, they said that even after 18 months are fulfilled, they do not offer any service to officially unlock the iPhone.  I will have to check up with this, as it is technically against the law for them to deny this to a customer who has fulfilled their contract, and who officially requests an unlock-code or service.  Apple even officially has a system built-in to iTunes to recognize when an iPhone has been &#8216;liberated&#8217; &#8211; so we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Final bad news:  A passport and a smile may not be enough to &#8216;allow&#8217; you to buy a cell phone and a data plan from many carriers, who often require a photocopy of a utility bill and a residency card before they&#8217;ll let you sign a contract.<br />
Pre-paid guys are easier in this sense, but as of this year, in all of the EU, some form of positive ID is still required, even for pre-paids and thow-aways.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik R.</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2612</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Raphael. I don&#039;t really know. Since I went with the only deal available (buying an iPhone through Telefónica on a 2-year contract) as soon as it was available, I haven&#039;t investigated the alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Raphael. I don&#8217;t really know. Since I went with the only deal available (buying an iPhone through Telefónica on a 2-year contract) as soon as it was available, I haven&#8217;t investigated the alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: minder</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2611</link>
		<dc:creator>minder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Erik,

I am about to move to Madrid and given that you seem to be up on the iphone I have the following question. I can get a friend to buy one in Hong Kong and bring it over and then join a local operator. Or I can wait until I get to Madrid and get one there. Are there now good deals with Spanish operators that make the hardware almost free, as long as you sign up for a year etc? many thanks, raphael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Erik,</p>
<p>I am about to move to Madrid and given that you seem to be up on the iphone I have the following question. I can get a friend to buy one in Hong Kong and bring it over and then join a local operator. Or I can wait until I get to Madrid and get one there. Are there now good deals with Spanish operators that make the hardware almost free, as long as you sign up for a year etc? many thanks, raphael</p>
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		<title>By: Erik R.</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2609</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I don&#039;t know of any way to buy an unlocked iPhone in Spain.</description>
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		<title>By: ruslan viznovych</title>
		<link>http://erikras.com/2008/07/11/the-iphone-in-spain/#comment-2608</link>
		<dc:creator>ruslan viznovych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is in Vmadrid.
will be beholden for any answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is in Vmadrid.<br />
will be beholden for any answer.</p>
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