Comments on: Dual Nationality http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/ Thoughts and photos from an American living in Spain. Wed, 23 May 2012 13:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Bawa http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-9149 Bawa Mon, 07 May 2012 11:46:00 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-9149  Sorry!!!!  At least A-level and other scores are no longer a worry in the EU for now, because all University/HE institutions in Europe now accept all European school-leaving certificates - they even have the entrance scores they require for all countries as routine. Good things about the Bologna Agreement that somehow never make it to the press. The main problem is knowing what your child is going to want to study/be good at in the future. Because then I would have had them learn German or Swedish rather than English!  Sorry!!!!  At least A-level and other scores are no longer a worry in the EU for now, because all University/HE institutions in Europe now accept all European school-leaving certificates – they even have the entrance scores they require for all countries as routine.
Good things about the Bologna Agreement that somehow never make it to the press.

The main problem is knowing what your child is going to want to study/be good at in the future. Because then I would have had them learn German or Swedish rather than English!

]]> By: Erik R. http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-9146 Erik R. Sun, 06 May 2012 11:35:00 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-9146 I have no idea, but thanks for another thing to worry about. :-) My wife and I had complications when applying for jobs in the UK because a lot of application forms wanted A-level scores, which neither of us had, being educated in other countries. I imagine that requesting financial aid from a university would be similarly awkward, but ultimately doable. And thank you for your lovely, insightful comment. I have no idea, but thanks for another thing to worry about. :-)

My wife and I had complications when applying for jobs in the UK because a lot of application forms wanted A-level scores, which neither of us had, being educated in other countries. I imagine that requesting financial aid from a university would be similarly awkward, but ultimately doable.
And thank you for your lovely, insightful comment.

]]> By: Bawa http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-9145 Bawa Sun, 06 May 2012 11:14:00 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-9145 I never tried the dual nationality trick, because if the child was born in Spain and had automatic Spanish nationality, you were allowed to hold dual nationality with only certain countries (mostly ex-colonies). However, I do know people who have both, for themselves and their children, but I do not know if it has been any help. For instance, the biggest use for me would be not to need a Visa to visit my home country. But how would I manage that? It would require me to show my Spanish passport when I leave and enter Spain and my hypothetical other passport when I arrive and leave my destination. But that is impossible, because they will require to see the emigration/immigration stamp and I would not be able to show that on two different nationality passports! Some other friends thought that having dual nationality would allow their children to qualify as home/EU students for University purposes - less fees in the UK, for instance, even though they live away. But of course the authorities looked at the school-leaving certificate, and demanded a certain amount of residence in order to qualify: and you can hardly claim to be resident in Europe and go daily to school 12000 kms away! Older people had dual nationality for their kids to avoid military service. I am sure their are many advantages, just that from a practical point of view I have not been able to find any as yet. Correct me if I am wrong Eric, but a friend's son who has US nationality has had to move back to the US with his mom to attend high school, as he wants to go to a US university in the future. And apparently you need to have done your last 3 years in a US school in order to have good chances of being considered for a good college/scholarship etc.??   I never tried the dual nationality trick, because if the child was born in Spain and had automatic Spanish nationality, you were allowed to hold dual nationality with only certain countries (mostly ex-colonies).
However, I do know people who have both, for themselves and their children, but I do not know if it has been any help.
For instance, the biggest use for me would be not to need a Visa to visit my home country. But how would I manage that? It would require me to show my Spanish passport when I leave and enter Spain and my hypothetical other passport when I arrive and leave my destination.

But that is impossible, because they will require to see the emigration/immigration stamp and I would not be able to show that on two different nationality passports!

Some other friends thought that having dual nationality would allow their children to qualify as home/EU students for University purposes – less fees in the UK, for instance, even though they live away. But of course the authorities looked at the school-leaving certificate, and demanded a certain amount of residence in order to qualify: and you can hardly claim to be resident in Europe and go daily to school 12000 kms away!

Older people had dual nationality for their kids to avoid military service.

I am sure their are many advantages, just that from a practical point of view I have not been able to find any as yet.

Correct me if I am wrong Eric, but a friend’s son who has US nationality has had to move back to the US with his mom to attend high school, as he wants to go to a US university in the future. And apparently you need to have done your last 3 years in a US school in order to have good chances of being considered for a good college/scholarship etc.??
 

]]> By: Julian http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-9142 Julian Fri, 04 May 2012 02:33:00 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-9142 Congratulations to Nora!  I am in a similar situation but reverse.  I was born American and want Spanish citizenship.  I have to go to Embassy to swear to the King and "la bandera" but am anxious about being required to give my passport.  Can they take it away from me!?  I think my Social Security number and drivers license will still be okay and I will be an American in every other regard, but the passport situation really irks me.  Congratulations to Nora!  I am in a similar situation but reverse.  I was born American and want Spanish citizenship.  I have to go to Embassy to swear to the King and “la bandera” but am anxious about being required to give my passport.  Can they take it away from me!?  I think my Social Security number and drivers license will still be okay and I will be an American in every other regard, but the passport situation really irks me. 

]]> By: Patrick http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-9040 Patrick Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:34:00 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-9040 i am currently a usa citizen and want to see if there are any pros or cons to being a citizen of spain. i have visited many times and would like to retire there ans also maintain a home in usa. basically a back and forth dwelling as i have children here. please advise. also from a financial perprective PV i am currently a usa citizen and want to see if there are any pros or cons to being a citizen of spain. i have visited many times and would like to retire there ans also maintain a home in usa. basically a back and forth dwelling as i have children here. please advise. also from a financial perprective
PV

]]> By: Alexjavorsek http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-9029 Alexjavorsek Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:19:00 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-9029 Birth in spain does not necessarily mean spanish citizenship. But your daughter is also british by birth so she shouldnt have any problems related to residence permits as both spain and the uk are eu members. Birth in spain does not necessarily mean spanish citizenship. But your daughter is also british by birth so she shouldnt have any problems related to residence permits as both spain and the uk are eu members.

]]> By: Sofia_sofocli http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-9019 Sofia_sofocli Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:01:00 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-9019 Hello, I applied for spanish citizenship for my daughter, she was born in spain her father is US citizen and I am a British citizen. Is it the same case with your daughter? because the spanish have told me she can not have spanish citizenship... is that true? Hello, I applied for spanish citizenship for my daughter, she was born in spain her father is US citizen and I am a British citizen. Is it the same case with your daughter? because the spanish have told me she can not have spanish citizenship… is that true?

]]> By: Tm http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-3979 Tm Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:51:11 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-3979 I was born in the U.S Virgin Islands but my parents are from another caribbean island (they were on vacation to St.Thomas when I was born) I am therefore an American citizen by birth, but because I lived in Dominica (my parents' birth country) since after my birth, I consider myself a dominican. Recently my cousin and I went and got our Dominican passports. It's really cool when you realize that you belong to two countries..in your daughter's case, she has access to 2 of the world super powers :) I was born in the U.S Virgin Islands but my parents are from another caribbean island (they were on vacation to St.Thomas when I was born) I am therefore an American citizen by birth, but because I lived in Dominica (my parents’ birth country) since after my birth, I consider myself a dominican. Recently my cousin and I went and got our Dominican passports. It’s really cool when you realize that you belong to two countries..in your daughter’s case, she has access to 2 of the world super powers :)

]]> By: Sofia http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-3978 Sofia Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:03:15 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-3978 there are 3 ways of becoming american: By birth: solis, you are born in the us or in an airplane or shuttle belonging to the us. By blood: Mother or father by naturalization: for aliens She is american by blood so No ITS HER CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to be american. And by constitution you cannot ever stop being american, some countries like mexico in 1980, when I was born, asked you to resign to ur us nationality if you wanted to be mexican. I was born in HOUSTON TEXAS in 1987 WHen i was 13 and asked for a mexican passport I was asked to renounce to my american nationality "i went to the Us embassy and they gave my a piece of paper that said " you are no longer american" the girl who gave it to me laughed so hard and said. that I will never ever stop being american . Now that is allowed to have more than one nationality...I am still american and mexican I cant lose either ever...it s my right...and NO YOU CANT GET IN TROUBLE BECAUSE ONE HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THE OTHER So no worries about NORA there are 3 ways of becoming american:

By birth: solis, you are born in the us or in an airplane or shuttle belonging to the us.

By blood: Mother or father

by naturalization: for aliens

She is american by blood so No ITS HER CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to be american.

And by constitution you cannot ever stop being american,

some countries like mexico in 1980, when I was born, asked you to resign to ur us nationality if you wanted to be mexican.

I was born in HOUSTON TEXAS in 1987

WHen i was 13 and asked for a mexican passport I was asked to renounce to my american nationality

“i went to the Us embassy and they gave my a piece of paper that said ” you are no longer american”

the girl who gave it to me laughed so hard and said. that I will never ever stop being american . Now that is allowed to have more than one nationality…I am still american and mexican

I cant lose either ever…it s my right…and NO YOU CANT GET IN TROUBLE BECAUSE ONE HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THE OTHER

So no worries about NORA

]]> By: Erik Javorsek http://erikras.com/2009/06/23/dual-nationality/#comment-3977 Erik Javorsek Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:22:10 +0000 http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/?p=2453#comment-3977 Hey! my dad is a us citizen, and he acquired British citizenship without loosing the us. well, us was a neutral country about dual citizenship. But the new rules require one to inform the us consulate that they acquired another c. and they must use their us passport while entering / leaving the us territory. So they allow one to acquire another citizenship without loosing the previous one, as long as the country you're acquiring its citizenship allows it. My friends mom needed to renounce us c. before acquiring dutch c. - for ex. Slovenia does not allow dual c if not by bith too. I dont know about spain but - u can get a new citizenship without the need to renounce us c. Hey!
my dad is a us citizen, and he acquired British citizenship without loosing the us. well, us was a neutral country about dual citizenship. But the new rules require one to inform the us consulate that they acquired another c. and they must use their us passport while entering / leaving the us territory. So they allow one to acquire another citizenship without loosing the previous one, as long as the country you’re acquiring its citizenship allows it. My friends mom needed to renounce us c. before acquiring dutch c. – for ex. Slovenia does not allow dual c if not by bith too.
I dont know about spain but – u can get a new citizenship without the need to renounce us c.

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